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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:35:22 AM #16655 |
 DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137  | People say the best way to learn a language is to place yourself inside it. Well, I'm having a serious lack of motivation to learn C++ even though I am capable and have all the materials needed to learn, so I need to just place myself there and do it. Suggest a program that would be semi-easy to make, and I'll try it, but remember I don't know much, so it might take a while. Tl;DR Suggest me a program and I will try to make it. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:40:21 AM #16656 |
 Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | Personally, I find C a hard language to learn, and if you're impatient like me, you probably won't find it rewarding. I first started programming in QBASIC, and it was a fairly easy jump to get to object-oriented programming in Visual Basic. I found the language was easy enough, and powerful enough, that I could make an application in VB in a couple hours that would take me a month or more in C++. If you're seriously considering staying with C, I would recommend trying the typical Hello World examples, and trying to build off of that. Save several different versions and see what you can abstract from there. What sort of programs have you wrote so far? Anything using different forms? Libraries? Objects? Maybe I can make a semi-uneducated guess from there. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:46:32 AM #16658 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | I can do the Hello World things, cout is pretty easy. I was thinking about starting in Visual Basic, but decided that C++ would be better in the long run because I can make games with it (which I wouldn't mind doing as a hobby) and that I've just heard good things about it. I've also heard that PHP is partly based off of C++, though I haven't seen any examples of that yet, and I want to learn PHP. As for programs I've written so far, I had a calculator that converted Fahrenheit to Celsius and back, but I didn't come up with it, I learned it in a tutorial, and I can do basic math with C++. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:52:31 AM #16660 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | PHP's libraries and binares are all C++, and the language is close to being C, but after a few syntatical changes between BASIC and PHP it wasn't hard to learn. A good example of the change is this: In Basic: VAR$ = "Alphanumeric, not seen as a number" VAR% = 12 'Is a number, only numeric -- -32,768 to 32,767 range. VAR# = 200 'Still a number, only numeric -- -65,536 to 65,535 range. In PHP, the variable designator changes sides, and "$" covers all of the types: $VAR = "Alpha"; $VAR = 12; Either way, it can be used in calculations without any conversion functions like BASIC. It looks like they re-did their site, but W3Schools has some good information on PHP (and several other web-languages). Try making a program that can load/save a file. If you can do file transactions, you'll be able to add quite a bit of functionality to your programs by using the disk for variable space, instead of memory. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:56:33 AM #16661 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | Typical file read loop in PHP: $file = @fopen("C:/path/file.ext","r"); while (!@feof($file)) { $var = @fgets($file); echo $var . "<br />"; } @fclose($file); (The @ by the functions is error suppression in PHP, which you may not want if you're wanting debug information). Similar code in Visual Basic: open "C:/path/file.ext" for input as #1 'Change the forward slashes to back slashes. do while not eof(1) Line Input #1, Var$ Form1.Print Var$ + (Chr$(13)+Chr$(10)) loop close #1 |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:56:35 AM #16662 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | Alright, I'll try to do that, doesn't seem like it should be too hard. Another thing I keep forgetting that I want to do is make a .nfo reader. No computer I have ever been on has the ability to just open .nfo files how they are supposed to be opened. I always get an error. So I open it in notepad, but I want to be able to make one of those. I'll try that after I try yours though. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 3:58:20 AM #16663 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | What are .NFO files? I'm not familiar with it. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:11:10 AM #16665 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | I get them a lot downloading torrents and E-books, instead of having a read-me .txt file some people make .nfo files. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:16:33 AM #16666 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | Oh. I gotcha. I don't want to steer you the wrong way, but in VB that would be amazingly easy to write... |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:17:30 AM #16667 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | Alright, I'll try VB, any recommended readings? |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:23:18 AM #16668 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | I learned from books myself. I really hope telling you that won't steer you wrong. You want me to whip together a quick one and shoot you the project files? You can play with the code on that? Either way, I can probably tell you what you'd need to know in order to get it to work... |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:25:28 AM #16669 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | I meant what books did you use to learn. I've been teaching myself the languages I know through e-books. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:29:21 AM #16670 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | ISBN Numbers or names be best? |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:32:19 AM #16671 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | The one I learned the most from was: Teach Yourself Visual Basic 4 (3rd Edition) in 21 days by Sams Publishing. Because it is at VB6 (yea, there's 2005 and 2008, they changed the language, so I have no idea what these are about), I'd recomend a newer book. Other ones I have on my shelf are these (which are all pretty good): Visual Basic 5 for Dummies (IDG Books) Visual Basic 5 Bible (IDG Books) Visual Basic 6 Complete (Sybex) Visual Basic 6 Super Bible (Sams Publishing) |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:36:22 AM #16672 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | Quote: ISBN Numbers or names be best?Names are best. I'll see if I can find some VB 6 for dummies or something. I always liked those books. Thanks. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 4:38:41 AM #16673 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | Cool cool. Any questions about it, feel free to post/message. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 5:03:41 AM #16674 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | Will do. I just downloaded 30 e-books on the subject, I should be good for a while. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 5:07:07 AM #16675 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | God damn! Zip+Send2Me |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 5:09:24 AM #16676 |
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DeadLazyBum Site Admin '♥' Level 33 Posts: 2,964 Submissions: 137 | Quote: Zip+Send2MeIf you really want them, I will. |
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| Sunday, March 29th, 2009 at 5:15:13 AM #16677 |
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Toasty SysOp Level 40 Posts: 7,388 Submissions: 227 | I love collection shit to read. If you can, it would be highly appreciated. |
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